Eric C: [00:00:30] Hey everybody. This is Eric Y Chen. It’s been a very long time. We took a short break through the year of 2020 when the pandemic started. And so what I figured was to give podcasting a break. Recoup and rest in order to, you know, let everyone figure out what to do in this situation.

And I think, we’ve gotten to a point where the pandemic isn’t going away. Or coronavirus isn’t going away. And so everyone is just adapting to the new lifestyle. And what I wanted to do was get the podcast going again, with an introduction, with a new guest, but a long time college friend to join me.

And I love to have you introduce yourself.

Eric B: [00:01:17] Sure. Thanks for letting me be on this podcast. I’m Eric Bravo. We’ve known each other since UC Davis. I guess a little bit about myself. I am currently a production assistant on Rugrats and Nickelodeon and into any like creative field, like photography, videography, music.

Yeah.

Eric C: [00:01:43] Yeah. Oh, I mean, I feel like you’re very humble with your resume all on its own. I mean, Rugrats in itself. It’s that baby show I think we all, at least the nineties babies grew up on and watching on Nickelodeon. So is there something more dear to your heart about wanting to work on this certain production?

Or just the matter of fact that Rugrats is even still going on or?

Eric B: [00:02:06] Yeah, I mean, like, it did define like our childhood. I feel like, like all the nineties babies, We grew up watching that and to be a part of something that we grew up watching it and it did shape my life. You know, I have like some of the best memories watching that show with my brother and,  just to be, just to have the opportunity to be a part of that again is just pretty amazing.

Eric C: [00:02:32] Yeah. What are some of the other shows that you were able to work on at Nickelodeon?

Eric B: [00:02:39] Yeah. So before Rugrats, I was on, there is a reboot for a teenage mutant ninja turtle, which is the rise of the TMNT. And on that show, I was a production assistant script coordinator.

And, actually this week, tomorrow is going to be the finale for that for the season. So definitely try to check that out on Nick tunes.

Eric C: [00:03:01] Yeah, by the time our listeners are listening to this,  probably last week when the episode is released, we’re recording August 6th today. And I think by the time this episode is live, it’ll be the following week.

And so you’re the finale for teenage mutant Ninja turtle will have already aired.

Eric B: [00:03:18] Yeah.

Eric C: [00:03:19] No, that’s awesome. So, you know, wanting to, to circle back on, you know, Eric and I, we actually hung out a few times with her buddy named Eric. So it was always confusing. So we just referred to each other by our last names.

But I have to say your last name is much cooler than our last names. Mine’s Chen and then the other Eric Eric’s last name is ho. So out of all three, I think Bravo is the coolest last name that you could have. But in terms of college, I mean, we, we met each other, if not at DSP, the business fraternity, then just through our mutual friends are probably Eric ho.

But I think, you know, we’re having a conversation that I actually. We probably didn’t know each other through DSP because I had rushed and I had dropped out of rushing DSP. So I didn’t end up getting to join you, but I found it interesting that you actually were a founding father of DSP as well.

Eric B: [00:04:19] Yeah. So before UC Davis, I was actually going to UC Santa Cruz, doing a business major as well, but I decided, my junior year, to transfer to Davis. And, but before I transferred, I actually helped founded the chapter DSP at UC Santa Cruz. So I’m technically a foundation father there. And right after I crossed, I started my new, I started at UC Davis and I just started my career at my DSP journey at UC Davis.

So that was kinda like a weird transition.

Eric C: [00:04:56] Yeah. You know, it’s funny. I was, I actually was supposed to go to Santa Cruz, so maybe you and I would have crossed paths had I gone to the Santa Cruz, but yeah, I mean, DSP, I bring this up because, you know, most people who do join this and even a lot of our peers and friends they joined DSP to get more involved within the business majors and go down a certain trajectory and career path. So, you know, I’m sure a lot of us, even our listeners here, they know someone who’s in DSP and then most likely these friends have all gone off to predominantly finance careers in one way or another. So what was it for you to pretty much like steer away from going into or out of the business focus or major.

Eric B: [00:05:48] Yeah. I mean, I think I think for me personally, I’ve always been into, you know, the creative field. I’ve always loved animation, always loved music, always loved photography.

And I think there’s something inside of me that just kept pulling and tugging me to the creative field. And it wasn’t until my super senior year of college. My fifth year of college.  When I got the Warner brothers internship and in the fall, all term as an international marketing intern, I, it opened up the Gates for me to intern at other places, including Nickelodeon and Dreamworks. And when I got the internship on Nickelodeon, it was in the volt department. So I was dealing with a lot of old Nickelodeon assets like Ren and Stimpy, CatDog, like background cells, background paintings, and old animation cells even saw like, Hey Arnold, the pilot reel, which is like super amazing. And during that internship, I was able to pitch a cartoon to Nickelodeon. It was open to everybody. It was the animated shorts program. And I ended up pitching this, this short.

They really liked it. Unfortunately that year they pass on it. But the following year, they asked me to pitch again, I pitched The Outsiders and they ended up picking that up.

Eric C: [00:07:08] Was that competition within the company itself?

Eric B: [00:07:12] No, usually like animation studios, they want to create these shorts to kind of test the waters of like what direction they should go.

So these shorts. I don’t know if you know, but the loud house was one of the shorts and it kind of blew up from there. Like it got a good reception from the shorts program and it’s one of Nickelodeon’s bigger shows now. So I think it’s just a chance for them to give creators an opportunity to, you know, show what they’re capable of, but then also to see how the audience reacts to it.

Eric C: [00:07:49] Yeah. So basically the testing grounds and having creative minds such as yourself to have an opportunity to make it big.

Eric B: [00:07:56] Yeah. And it was super special too because I didn’t have like, too much experience in animation. I was an intern, like going from an intern to the creator writer of my own like a cartoon short was you know, a huge learning curve for me. And, and I didn’t know really how to handle it. I was 23 when I got that. And, you know, I honestly had no idea how to capitalize on that. So I actually ended up during the same time, cause it was part-time. So during that same time, I was working at Google and the self-driving car project while making that cartoon with Nickelodeon. So during my lunch hour, just remember going and taking calls for Nickelodeon and just making like notes, like, Oh, I like this design. I don’t like this design. I remember I was waking up at like four 30 every morning to catch the bus, the Google shuttle bus to go work by seven.

And then during lunch, just work on Nickelodeon and then after work, just work on Nickelodeon. I just, it was a super busy and during that time, but thinking back as like some of the best memories, you know?

Eric C: [00:09:07] Yeah. So then it sounds like you had started a career or you graduated college and started a career at Google.

Eric B: [00:09:14] Yeah. I graduated from college. I got the short. And then the short was part-time and I was still living in the Bay at the time with my parents. So Nickelodeon would fly me down when they needed me. So it was all like virtual. And then at the time I had, I think a month after I found out I got the Nickelodeon short, I got an opportunity to work on the self-driving car for Google.

And that was pretty, you know, that’s always been a dream of mine, you know, like I had one foot in tech, one foot in animation. But yeah and eventually I decided I wanted to focus more on the creative field. So I decided to leave Google and just focus on animation. But when I moved to LA, I had a hard time getting my foot into the animation industry.

I’ve it to be easy. Cause it had a bunch of internship experience. I had this cartoon with Nickelodeon. You know, I thought getting a production assistant job, which is like the entry-level position would be super easy and like, my resume was good. But actually had a huge, like a hard time finding a PA job.

Eric C: [00:10:23] And what was the competition like? Do you think, like the reason why, you know, They were passing you over with such an impressive resume in comparison to other things? It was just that connections or the other people I’d even crazier stuff that like they were already doing shorts by the time they’re teenagers.

Eric B: [00:10:40] I think. Yeah. I think that’s what hindered me in a weird way because I had an internship. I had these internships and then having an internship to having there, to having the title of creator writer of my own short. I think the studios didn’t believe it. And they just didn’t like they didn’t, I couldn’t get any interviews pretty much.

And I, I thought it was so weird because it’s like, I have this good resume. I have these like the short like I’m in the industry and I can’t even get an entry-level position. So I ended up using my business degree and, and I actually worked at Lionsgate as a financial analyst. And I never thought I would do that, but you know, having the skills and DSP and like having that managerial economics degree from Davis, kind of saved my butt, you know, it paid, paid the bills for sure.

Eric C: [00:11:36] Yeah. No, it’s, it’s an interesting journey that, you know, you ha you took the opportunity to. Go from the tech part, which you had a foot in, and then while doing creative work, then decided to dive into doing creative, basically. I mean, full time, but then, it didn’t really work out at, at that point in time, right?

Yeah. So for you, I mean, what was that thought process of. Like deciding that this isn’t the route or that you had to go look for other options. and that’s when you decided to apply for other gigs at that point.

Eric B: [00:12:12] I mean, I had savings when I moved to LA from my time at Google and from the Nickelodeon short.

But when I moved to LA, I wasn’t working. And I thought, you know, it’s just kind of like goofing off and thought I would get a job eventually. And so my bank account was like close to zero and I was like eating through all my savings and that’s when I had to get a job, you know? And that’s when I busted out my, my college degree and, and really, cause I realized if I wanted to stay in the industry I needed to.

You know, get an opinion job.

Eric C: [00:12:50] Yeah. So then for you, I guess even just getting a job within the industry that you want to be in is also kind of a. A foot in the door too. Right. And that gives you an opportunity to be able to network around and

Eric B: [00:13:04] yeah. Yeah. And like I actually met, one of my good friends in LA, his name’s Austin.

He is my coworker at Lionsgate and he’s really into music production as well. And he was like, my, he sat next to me. So. it was such a weird experience because we both were very creative people. We both love music, but we were in this finance position. but just being around him kind of inspired me to continue to make music and kinda like pushed me in that way.

So in a weird, strange way, going to Lionsgate helps me creatively as well and, and helped me push, Yeah. Just, just find people that I would have never found.

Eric C: [00:13:49] Yeah. Do you think this was just more of like a fate type thing that occurred?

Eric B: [00:13:54] yeah, I think definitely it was, it was, I had no idea that I was gonna meet this like another creative person, another financial analyst at Lionsgate, you know, but.

Yeah. Faith is faith, I guess.

Eric C: [00:14:10] Yeah, it seems like, I mean, everyone in so Cal or Los Angeles would have some sort of. You know, creative hobby or interest, and, but then they might just be stuck with the finance side job. Right. So for you, you had an opportunity to get an education and take that and actually be able to get a job to then start paying the bills and sustain yourself.

So I guess during that time, and you’re already working on music and other creatives at that point, right? For you, what are you doing today? Now if I could transition, are you still working in corporate, or are you now working on creative full time?

Eric B: [00:14:48] So my full-time job is, at Nickelodeon as a PA on the regrets, but on the side, I am still doing creative work and, I’m actually releasing an album tomorrow, called need to know which.

I may during the quarantine months, cause we have so much time, you know, and along with the album is, I’m also making a short to accompany it with. so that’s just been a big project for me creatively and I think it just having been through all that I’ve been through. Before creatively, you know, with, with music and like just learning the business side of music and animation and finance, it kinda like gave me all the skills to make this album.

And, and I just feel like it’s the best work that I’ve ever done, you know? And, and. I’m just super excited for it to come out and be released. And I’m excited for people to hear it. And my goal is to get on a billboard and hopefully I could get there, you know, if I get it, you know, streams and enough sales, but, I think I have a good chance, but yeah, I think this is the best project that I’ve ever made so far.

Eric C: [00:16:02] Yeah, no, that’s, that’s amazing, right? Like you’re, you’re still working full time. You’re able to, work on a passion project and I have, you know, we’ve been able to, or I’ve been able to listen to a few songs in itself and you actually have some pretty big names. on this project. Right. And I think if you can share, you know, who you have and, and kind of the inspiration for

Eric B: [00:16:28] this year, I mean, for the Bay area, folks listening, I have Mr. Fab, Keekley sneak NEF the Pharaoh, and that’s this kind of like a throwback to like the old, like Oh six HiFi movement, with the new, like Current twists also have Mick Jenkins, Casey veggies from odd future, dizzy, right? Rocky fresh and, and a couple of others too. but this album too, I kind of took the DJ Khaled approach where, you know, I want to take the executive route, like making my cartoon short with Nickelodeon.

I realized, you know, I don’t have to draw to make it, you know, I just have to have like the best team and, try to find the best animated, try to find like the best directors to help me build the best product that I could. And like, and I oversee everything, everything from conception to, from inception to conception.

And that’s kind of how I treated this album as well, where it’s like, yeah, I could make my own, you know, music and I could be on the song, but. I know there are better people out there that could just like absolutely kill this track, you know? And I just took that approach, you know, and, and I, think it turned out really well.

I’m super happy with it. And also with this album too, it is a mix of, you know, different genres. It has a pop. It has, rock alternative. It has like Indie music and it also has jazz. Like, it’s just like every Genre that I love, I put it into this and I try to make it seamless throughout.

Eric C: [00:18:08] Yeah. This is basically your, your creative baby.

Yeah. what do they call it? A left tape.

Eric B: [00:18:15] Yeah, basically,

Eric C: [00:18:17] I love taped to the world, right?

Eric B: [00:18:19] Yeah. Yeah.

Eric C: [00:18:21] Well, it’s interesting that you, you know, you bring this all up and that you mentioned, you know, this is pretty much the work that you’re most proud of, right. Because just even getting a glimpse into your, your work history, your career paths, the projects you’ve worked on, you know, I’m sure a lot of people.

Would it be jealous of the opportunity to work at Nickelodeon at Dreamworks, right? and just having opportunities like that to be surrounded by other creative outlets, but then, and then even releasing a short working at Google, but then releasing the album that you, as a creative. Don’t even sing yourself and correct me if I’m wrong.

I feel like you do have songs where you do sing previously. Yeah.

Eric B: [00:19:06] Yeah, I do. I do.

Eric C: [00:19:07] it’s interesting to hear like you, as a creative is now taking more of that executive approach to just having an entire vision come to life and then recognizing, you know, or being self-aware that you want to bring in the talented folks to do it.

Eric B: [00:19:24] Yeah. And, and I got that from. Well, Walt Disney is like one of my inspirations of all time. And I got that from him because he could, from the research that I did of him, he could draw, but he always knew that he wasn’t the best drawer. So he recognized it was better for him to hire people and to hire the best artists.

So make the best project and I’m okay with that too. You know, like I don’t have to be on the song to make the best song. And I just feel like once I let that go, it just opened up a whole new world for me. And just, I perceive things a lot differently now, you know, and I don’t have to, you know, be on a song or I don’t have to like.

Be able to draw it to make a project. And, and I just, I kind of do want to take that route that Walt Disney took cause he was able to accomplish a lot in his life. And I mean, that’ll be a dream to accomplish just like a portion of what he did, you know, like, yeah.

Eric C: [00:20:30] Great an entire empire basically.

Eric B: [00:20:33] Yeah.

He created a whole empire just with the cartoon short, like

Eric C: [00:20:37] it’s from a mouse, right? Just start over. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Tiniest little, one of the tiniest little animals.  that’s such an interesting like mindset and you mentioned like, you know, being able to let that go. I feel like a lot of people they’re striving to, you know, do more and.

No, basically I take control of everything that they possibly can and have to do it themselves. So was this part of like part of the research? Was that from like a book you read one of his like autobiography Are just like, just constant, just research that you, you did yourself,

Eric B: [00:21:08] this constant research.

I love documentaries. I love. Listening to interviews. so any book on Walt Disney or any like a documentary on YouTube or on TV? I just gobbled it up, you know, and just listened and devoured it, audiobooks as well. and that just, just constantly, and I would repeat like the same content over and over again.

So it just like stick in my head and I think it just stuck and. Before, too. I was like, I need to do everything myself. You know, I can’t like let go of this, but once I let go and once it like hit me that, you know, if I want to make something big, I can’t do it by myself. You know, things started changing for me.

And that’s why I do think this music project is the best project ever because I did let go of everything, but I oversaw everything too.

Eric C: [00:22:00] Yeah. And then you’re making it into your vision, right?

Eric B: [00:22:03] Exactly.

Eric C: [00:22:04] Because you’re creative, it’s such a, such a crazy mindset to even hear that from you. I even myself and, you know, have been on this journey, you know, through entrepreneurship and wanting to like take control of most projects that I’m doing.

But then, you know, now having. Come to the realization that yeah, I should really, we look for the talent to be able to assist with other areas that might take me a lot longer with less quality, of it. And then. No, maybe the client wouldn’t be so, so happy, but then now it’s like, yeah, just tapping into the extra of others.

And basically it’s like harnessing their talent and be able to showcase what they’re capable of too, or at least like push their boundaries, in the creative side. So definitely, you know, see how beneficial that is. And I think a lot of people. You know, should try to realize that about themselves or try to dive deeper into realizing that, you know, there are certain areas of your life or even your project or your work, you know, to just like go basically.

Yeah. The name of your, your next album.

Eric B: [00:23:15] Yeah, let it go. Right.

Eric C: [00:23:18] Just, I don’t, I just. Can’t compete with a frozen,

Eric B: [00:23:22] but yeah, like piggybacking off of that too, we do live in a world where there’s a bunch of opportunity for us. You know, we have internet and we have all the answers that we could ever, ever, like want, you know, And we, I don’t think we should be focused on like one thing, if you’re creative, if you’re interested in different aspects or different fields in life, like, like gardening or like, I dunno some photography or, or some something like whatever you’re interested in.

Like you can do it, you know, and, and you should be able to have the time to like, pursue everything that you want to do.

Eric C: [00:24:02] So you do have a lot of projects, right? a lot of different things within your resume, a lot of different paths that you’ve taken, it’s all creative. do you ever feel like at a point where you’re just doing too much and that you’re not really?

Realizing the full potential. If you stuck with one thing or you should, you know, like you just mentioned do a few different things and explore, different passions, like what, what’s your stance on that?

Eric B: [00:24:28] Yeah, I think before I was a little bit more stubborn where I thought I could do everything in one day, but Donald Glover is like another inspiration for me too.

And just kind of study and how he did it. where he just focused hardcore on just like one aspect, like just riding, but then on the side, he made music and then once the music started popping off, but he shifted and then, you know, he was always planting these seeds everywhere, but whatever took off, he would like focus on it, you know?

so I think if I wanna like do multiple things in my career, then I should just like, Focus on one major thing in my life. Like right now it’s like music, but then also plant the seeds, like animation photography writing, you know? so I’m always learning. I’m always doing something. So when the opportunity does come for, you know, animation or writing, I’m ready.

Eric C: [00:25:25] No, I love it. you do mention writing. Yeah, I don’t think he really mentioned it before, or at least writing in the sense that it’s not like production is script or creative writing, but you did write your own book as well.

Eric B: [00:25:37] I did. Yeah.

Eric C: [00:25:39] Just throw that into the mix of your resume here for our listeners.

Eric B: [00:25:43] Yeah. yeah, it did write, how to get an animation internship. And the reason why I wrote it was it because a lot of I had a blog, the story boardroom, where I kind of wanted to give people information, how to get into the animation industry for free. Cause it took me a while to figure out, and once I was in it, you know, there, there’s not a lot of information out there and I just want to.

No, I don’t want to like be a card, like a gardener. Oh, you can’t come into this industry. You’re like, no, like if you, if you’re interested in it, you should have the same opportunities as I had. So I just wanted to bridge that gap. and I used to get a ton of emails and LinkedIn messages asking how to get into animation.

and it just took me a while to respond to everybody. So I just. Compiled all the answers into one book and just went detailed. Like I just was super detailed with how I did it. And my journey into the animation industry just showed you different tips and tricks. And even I provide my resume and cover letters that got me into these animation programs.

And yeah, I just wanted it to be an opportunity for, I just wanted people to have an opportunity to get into the animation industry and, and everything that I know about the industry I put in that book. So you will have everything on that.

Eric C: [00:27:03] I’m sure. I mean, I, I didn’t read it because I’m not trying to get into the animation industry, but, I’m sure this is part of that journey where you, you know, you came to Los Angeles to find a job to write.

It was that part of the.

Eric B: [00:27:18] Yeah, for sure. And I do talk about, you know, going see Los Angeles and not being able to find a job and working at Lionsgate as well. But yeah, I talk about everything in that book and the cool thing about it too. a couple of people reached out to me saying that they got internships after reading the book and they got internships at Warner brothers, or they got internships at Dreamworks and Leica, which made me super happy.

You know, like they sent me this super like sweet email, just thanking me for, Yeah, helping them pursue this internship. So

Eric C: [00:27:51] yeah, you can update the book edition or something and they include all of these testimonials.

Eric B: [00:27:58] Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Maybe saying, and I just found out this week that it’s on target. I had sold on target and then Walmart and Barnes and Nobles as well.

And that’s a huge accomplishment for that. I got is huge. Yeah. I remember a little milestone.

Eric C: [00:28:14] Yeah, I remember, this past week I saw that you posted that it was, it was on target now, but I feel like that in itself is already a huge accomplishment for someone such as yourself, like being able to publish a book, publish a short, and. Bout to release an album to you. So yeah, eating the trifecta, right. In terms of songwriting or song animation and book.

Eric B: [00:28:37] Yeah. And the finale for turtles too next week. Yeah. It’s a huge week. Yeah.

Eric C: [00:28:43] You’ve been able to basically like touch upon the entire, like. The range of, millennials in terms of like, Hey Arnold, the rug, rats, like everything we watched Nickelodeon.

And then obviously for Bay area folks, it’s like a whole era.

Eric B: [00:28:58] Yeah.

Eric C: [00:28:59] The hyphae hyphae movement. so yeah, you’re your, your whole life and autobiography really are like a, a timeline for progressive millennials.

Eric B: [00:29:08] Yeah. It definitely came full circle, but I think now. Well, as I’m approaching 30, I just want to like, you know, do some new stuff and kind of like progress.

Yeah. And do try something, try something now.

Eric C: [00:29:25] Yeah. What’s next for you?

Eric B: [00:29:28] I don’t know. I kinda just want to take a break and just relax

Eric C: [00:29:32] after the album is.

Eric B: [00:29:33] Yeah, it was a lot for me. I didn’t realize that I was going to make an album. I thought I was just going to make like an EP with five songs, but yeah, and it doesn’t make it like 20 plus songs.

And then I cut it down to 12. And also doing that cartoon short or doing a short to go with the album while working full time is took a toll on me. I just want to like chill out for a little bit after that, but I think actually it might start YouTube. Like I have a YouTube channel. They post some times I post my music on there and like, I give some advice for animation.

now that I have all this time, I kind of want to pursue that and. You know, just get more, make more videos about how to get into the animation industry, and yeah. How I got the Nickelodeon short pilot pitched it. just so I could be transparent with anyone who’s interested in it. And just so everyone can know, like my blueprint.

So they could do it if they’re interested too. I just feel like I should give back, like everything that I know. There’s no point in me like holding it.

Eric C: [00:30:39] Yeah, no, I absolutely love it. I mean, that’s the same concept. I mean, not in a creative sense, but in terms of, you know, my, my business, the projects that I’ve worked on, helping other clients and just having all that new house and being able to share that and give all of that knowledge to people.

I’m. Tired of the industry of the, you know, the fake e-commerce gurus. Yeah. They hit yeah. Success for one day on, on an ad. So they take that screenshot and then like, You know, try to take advantage of that, but then it’s just never consistent. Right? So, I’m basically working on this, this new site called launch brand grow, dot com and it’s basically to cover even stories like yourself in terms of success.

Right? Cause success is relative to each individual and, and that’s something I want people to realize, right? Whether it’s to make a comfortable. You know, $75,000 a year or six figures or even seven figures, is it to own like, you know, an entire business or is it a self-ran business? You’re trying to build like a 500 person team and, and all of that and just basically covering.

Those topics. and right. And it just ranges from, you know, an individual all the way to like, you know, a large company and stuff. And so, you know, I’d love to, to share your story and your insight into that project as well.

Eric B: [00:31:58] Yeah. That’d be amazing. That sounds amazing too. I feel like every industry there should be like, yeah, it should be more transparent for sure.

Eric C: [00:32:08] Yeah, absolutely. Well, where can people, one, if they’re interested in getting a job in animation, you said they can get the book at target Walmart?

Eric B: [00:32:18] Yeah. You can get the book online at all. Like Amazon, I book Google books and, but then also at target. A Walmart and Barnes and noble. All right.

Eric C: [00:32:30] I will provide those links on the site, via the podcast, and then for your album, where can people find that

Eric B: [00:32:38] my album, you could find that it’s going to be released on Spotify.

You know, all the streaming services Spotify, Apple music title. It’s going to be on my YouTube channel and also band camp, VanCamp it’s for sure. Going to be released. by tomorrow and all the other streaming services, it should be released by next week as well.

Eric C: [00:32:58] And what do people have to look up to find your album

Eric B: [00:33:01] it’s called needs to know?

And my artist’s name is Ravo R a V, like in Victor. O

Eric C: [00:33:09] why did you omit the B from your last name?

Eric B: [00:33:12] Oh, man. I just wanted something different and I really wanted to use Bravo, but there are so many problems out there and the Bravo. Even the Bravo channel, it was just like a mess with SEO. So I was just like, ah, it’s gonna, it looks Ravo like four letters, like a good, you know, aesthetically pleasing.

Eric C: [00:33:35] Yeah, no, I like it. I’ve actually, you know, for my listeners, I’m sure there are a few people who’ve come across this but had I done better research, but obviously I liked the name of this podcast, right? It’s called Y factor podcast with the letter. Y I’m the only issue in terms of SEO is that. There’s another podcast with the actual spelling of Y, W H Y.

And so if you do type in mind that one will also pop up. So that’s who I’m in competition with.

Eric B: [00:34:00] Okay. I believe you can. You can.

Eric C: [00:34:03] That’s the idea. It’s that’s one goal. And then the other goal is to have the name, Eric Chen, the. Number one, because I think it’s unlike dr. Or some like kids who won science awards and stuff.

If you look at them on Google, so

to be

Eric B: [00:34:22] this the same team, sorry, Eric Bravo. There’s this doctor like I’m always competing with

Eric C: [00:34:28] yeah. These guys went on the right path. Cause they have to, in order for them to get index, they have to do like something noteworthy to, within their fields to get like publication up onto the interweb.

Eric B: [00:34:38] So yeah, it’s competition for that. Eric’s for sure.

Eric C: [00:34:43] Well, I mean, you have a lot better opportunity because you’re getting a lot of your work published, so you should be usually to be fine. That’s true. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for jumping on the show. I’m really happy to have you as I don’t like the reopening of the, or the relaunch of this podcast.

you know, for this year, I’m sure a lot of listeners are going to be. You know, super excited to hear your story. And obviously they’ve listened to this point. So I want to just thank you for sharing your story and your journey, and hopefully, they’ll be able to follow you and see what else you have in store for them.

Eric B: [00:35:20] Yeah. And thanks for having me on too. can’t wait to listen to the other guests you’re going to have, you know,

Eric C: [00:35:25] Awesome. All right. Talk to you soon.